Curse

Maver1ck87 · Mar 03, 2011, 04:20 PM // 16:20

Ok, new update sounds great and everything, cant wait for embark and 7 heroes etc.... HOWEVER... the change to the LDoA title is dubious in my eyes for these reasons:

a) devalues it for everyone who has already achieved it

b) for all the POOR people who have level 18 toons in pre after death leveling for xxx hours its gonna be kinda devastating to see people catch up in like x weeks of casual play

c) ALSO all those people with lvl 18 toons in pre who lost their survivor months ago are gonna be pissed at all the new LS/LDoA toons running about!

d) Titles SHOULD be accessible to everyone

e) Titles SHOULD NOT be achievable by everyone -> this is what gives titles value etc...

I will use me as an example:
- I have NEVER and will NEVER try to LDoA (the old version), cant be bothered and dont care that much <-- I am therefore too lazy to achieve that title

- I would rather grind HA for my hero 12 than do LDoA

- someone else who sucks at PvP might be unable to get their r12 but might have the dedication to go for LDoA

Titles reflect what your interests in the game are, and visa versa your interests in the game restrict what titles you are able to achieve. Casual new players might want protector of tyria, experienced players might want legendary guardian etc....

- LDoA WAS accessible to everyone in the game (who owns prophecies)
- it was in my eyes the 1 title that required the most commitment and dedication hence severely restricting those people capable of achieving it

Thats how I and I would predict most people in the game looked at it... This update will destroy that!

For anyone that says it is WAY TO EXCLUSIVE COS ITS SO HARD well... you don't need it for GWAMM, you don't need it for 50/50 HoM so who cares if its super exclusive! This is not a suggestion to revert it cos lol it hasnt even been changed HOWEVER this is more to see whether peeps are happy with the change or not.

BenjZee · Mar 03, 2011, 04:23 PM // 16:23

People weren't having fun to achieve it and it was just a mindless repetitive task. They gave the title to congratulate those who had done it and now if people are trying to replicate this then they arnt doin it for the fun of the title

FengShuiDove · Mar 03, 2011, 04:24 PM // 16:24

It was broken. The title was an abuse in the first place.

One thing's for certain: it's NOT going to be more painful. Whether it's less "valuable" is up to you to decide, but I think the vast majority of the community, even those who already have LDoA, believe this is a step in the right direction.

Hobbs · Mar 03, 2011, 04:29 PM // 16:29

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Originally Posted by Maver1ck87

Ok, new update sounds great and everything, cant wait for embark and 7 heroes etc.... HOWEVER... the change to the LDoA title is dubious in my eyes for these reasons:

a) devalues it for everyone who has already achieved it

If anyone thought a title that required afking and racking up a huge electricity bill held kudos then that's a problem on their part.

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b) for all the POOR people who have level 18 toons in pre after death leveling for xxx hours its gonna be kinda devastating to see people catch up in like x weeks of casual play

x weeks of casual play> x months of not playing. It's not like you actually spend time getting LDoA. You spend your time at work/school, watching TV, playing sports and you just get LDoA in the background.

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c) ALSO all those people with lvl 18 toons in pre who lost their survivor months ago are gonna be pissed at all the new LS/LDoA toons running about!

The new changes to Survivor mean that you'll be able to get it on a character which has already died. This becomes a non-issue.

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d) Titles SHOULD be accessible to everyone

e) Titles SHOULD NOT be achievable by everyone -> this is what gives titles value etc...

What's unachievable about not playing a game? If anything, it's unaccessible because there are those who can't just leave their PC on all day due to the electricity cost or an unstable network connection.

Malchior Devenholm · Mar 03, 2011, 04:29 PM // 16:29

Wait...let me be sure I heard this right...

You never went for LDoA, but you're complaining how it devalues the title...?

How about let the LDoAs speak their feelings

MithranArkanere · Mar 03, 2011, 04:31 PM // 16:31

a) devalues it for everyone who has already achieved it
* Nope. The value of a title is the value you give it yourself. This is not XBoX live, no one is getting points they can use to buy stuff.

b) for all the POOR people who have level 18 toons in pre after death leveling for xxx hours its gonna be kinda devastating to see people catch up in like x weeks of casual play
* So what? They'll be able to make the quests and get the title sooner themselves

c) ALSO all those people with lvl 18 toons in pre who lost their survivor months ago are gonna be pissed at all the new LS/LDoA toons running about!
* So what? They'll be able to make the quests themselves and get LS too!

d) Titles SHOULD be accessible to everyone
* Now they are!

e) Titles SHOULD NOT be achievable by everyone -> this is what gives titles value etc...
* This contradicts your own d). No matter how hard something is, anyone can make it, if they have enough time for it. The only exception would be those with some kind of physical or mental handicap, but not by design.

They are not giving the titles away, mate. You'll have to log in and work daily for them anyways.

The only difference is that now you get the titles for playing, instead for not playing.

psycore · Mar 03, 2011, 04:33 PM // 16:33

John Stumme is entirely correct that any title in the game that is not gotten through playing the game is broken. LDoA should be about defending Ascalon not getting rolled by charr over and over.

jazilla · Mar 03, 2011, 04:34 PM // 16:34

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Originally Posted by Maver1ck87

c) ALSO all those people with lvl 18 toons in pre who lost their survivor months ago are gonna be pissed at all the new LS/LDoA toons running about!
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Umm, those people will get the title well before anyone else and they should be OVERJOYED that they don't have to spend 50+ hours death leveling from 18-20. Tell me, who in their right mind wouldn't be thrilled at the prospect of their LDoA title being shortened by a working week or more in terms of hours?

Coast · Mar 03, 2011, 04:37 PM // 16:37

we can get ldoa on toons alrdy out of pre?(or i gotte make a new toon?)

drkn · Mar 03, 2011, 04:50 PM // 16:50

Not sure if anyone already mentioned it, but LDoA was originally added to the game in response to players hanging out in pre-searing until lvl 20. It wasn't a pre-designed title, and if it were, it would be terribly broken and stupid.
THAT late in game, with GW2 just around the corner, making titles easier to obtain is actually the best thing ANet could do.

Rhialto Le Brave · Mar 03, 2011, 04:52 PM // 16:52

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Originally Posted by drkn

Not sure if anyone already mentioned it, but LDoA was originally added to the game in response to players hanging out in pre-searing until lvl 20. It wasn't a pre-designed title, and if it were, it would be terribly broken and stupid.
THAT late in game, with GW2 just around the corner, making titles easier to obtain is actually the best thing ANet could do.

Nope.

LDoA was added as a reward for the first crazy person to DL and get level 20 in pre.

He did it on his own, without knowing there would be a title to reward him.

Then people reproduced the sheme to get the same title.

Killed u man · Mar 03, 2011, 04:55 PM // 16:55

Not knowing the exact details of the update, and what will and won't be implemented, I will pissed off to a whole new level if it turns out you can, in fact, get LDoA and LS on the same character.

I got banned for that exact reason 2/3 years ago, and I believe I still have the mail in which Gaile explicitly stated the ban was the wrong measure taken, but given the situation they couldn't unban me because noone else could get LS + LDoA.

If it now turns out EVERYONE can get both titles (which is what it should've been in the first place), NCSoft can expect another shitstorm of mails.

The first kicked me in the balls by banning me for something I didn't do. (Hack the game). Then they kicked me in the stumach as I was lying down by ignoring all emails I send to them, even getting them to admit I dind't break any rules. They then took a piss on me by telling me I did, in fact, not knowingly break any rules, but they couldn't unban me because it would be unfair to other players.

Do they really have to take a dumb on me aswell by allowing EVERYONE to get those titles, but still keeping me banned in the progress?

Hobbs · Mar 03, 2011, 04:58 PM // 16:58

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Originally Posted by Rhialto Le Brave

LDoA was added as a reward for the first crazy person to DL and get level 20 in pre.

He did it on his own, without knowing there would be a title to reward him.

Then people reproduced the sheme to get the same title.

There wasn't a title when the first person did it. ANet said it couldn't be done, even after there were a bunch of level 20s in Pre. The title came a long time after the first person made it to level 20.

Dre · Mar 03, 2011, 05:01 PM // 17:01

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

Not knowing the exact details of the update, and what will and won't be implemented, I will pissed off to a whole new level if it turns out you can, in fact, get LDoA and LS on the same character.

I got banned for that exact reason 2/3 years ago, and I believe I still have the mail in which Gaile explicitly stated the ban was the wrong measure taken, but given the situation they couldn't unban me because noone else could get LS + LDoA.

If it now turns out EVERYONE can get both titles (which is what it should've been in the first place), NCSoft can expect another shitstorm of mails.

The first kicked me in the balls by banning me for something I didn't do. (Hack the game). Then they kicked me in the stumach as I was lying down by ignoring all emails I send to them, even getting them to admit I dind't break any rules. They then took a piss on me by telling me I did, in fact, not knowingly break any rules, but they couldn't unban me because it would be unfair to other players.

Do they really have to take a dumb on me aswell by allowing EVERYONE to get those titles, but still keeping me banned in the progress?

How on earth did you manage to get both of those?

Rites · Mar 03, 2011, 05:01 PM // 17:01

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Originally Posted by Maver1ck87

d) Titles SHOULD be accessible to everyone

e) Titles SHOULD NOT be achievable by everyone -> this is what gives titles value etc...

^this

the OP apparently sees some of the title changing roughly the same way I do. Some titles specifically showed a certain dedication to some aspects of the game, and I for one feel that making these titles easier to obtain does devalue the original intention of said title.

Survivor: originally showed how effective you were at playing through the game without dieing. Granted with the gimmicks people use, there were ways to get this easily, but the original meaning of the title was to not die at all.

LDoA: originally showed your dedication to the presearing aspect of the game. Yes it was a pain in the arse, but if this was your niche, then so be it.

The Survivor title track is mutually exclusive with the Defender of Ascalon title, as the only way to reach level 20 in pre-Searing is through death leveling. -- From Guild wars wiki

so much for mutually exclusive-- the fact that these 2 titles were never meant to be gained on the same toon, in my opinion, was an important factor in choosing which of these i actually wanted to gain

As noted elsewhere,[1] ANet will not reset the death count for any reason. -- from GWW
apparently they found a loophole to their own original idea. instead of resetting the death count, they just reset the experience

I find it upsetting that the original ideas behind these titles are being "reworked" for the lazier gamers out there

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Originally Posted by Aeronwen

I am annoyed everytime they make a title easier - who wants to play GW2 if you know that if you wait for 5 years they will have made the whole thing so easy you can do it in a week?

They should at least change the title name when they change a title so much.

They should have implemented a good way of getting LDoA when the introduced the title. Changing it now is fooling no-one - got to make it easy for the attention-deficit kids to get 30/50 so they buy GW2.

They should just give every char every title at creation and be done with it ^^

/agreed

Lasai · Mar 03, 2011, 05:07 PM // 17:07

First rule of MMOs.

Online experience may change.

Never assume anything is forever.

drkn · Mar 03, 2011, 05:08 PM // 17:08

Borat - it wasn't possible back then via normal means, only by exploiting the GH bug and getting tomes. Possibly by some other, yet bugged/exploited, means.
The fact that it will (?) be possible soon doesn't justify your actions.

IMO, no one should be banned for finding and using a non-competitive bug in game, as long as it didn't bring any real benefit or edge over other players. Getting LDoA and LS on one character never was a real issue. But if ANet judged the other way, well, no one should get suddenly unbanned.

Coast · Mar 03, 2011, 05:08 PM // 17:08

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Originally Posted by Dre

How on earth did you manage to get both of those?

u use 2accounts for it and have a skill named rebirth

Raven Wing · Mar 03, 2011, 05:10 PM // 17:10

I so agree with Psycore. Legendary defender of Ascalon should be rewarded for those who have done some legendary defense of Ascalon, not by dropping dead 100k times. Each their taste, but the kind of gameplay needed to avhieve it was not to my taste, so I never even tried it, it isn´t among my 34 titles on main char.
I understand that people who struggled to get it the old way could be offended that it becomes available to more, but it was artificial from the beginnng and should have been fixed long ago. Well, the first LDOA´ers have had their time to show off a truely rare achievement already, now us mortals may be allowed to have it too, a few years after the pioneers

Warvic · Mar 03, 2011, 05:14 PM // 17:14

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Originally Posted by psycore

John Stumme is entirely correct that any title in the game that is not gotten through playing the game is broken. LDoA should be about defending Ascalon not getting rolled by charr over and over.

I agree and disagree. The title was introduced BECAUSE people were gettting rolled over by Charr. To archieve lvl 20 in pre. It was a title made for those players! Just because Anet gave the title a wrong name is no reason to change it now all of a sudden.

On the other hand. It makes sense to make this title easyer to archieve for all the people who didn't have the willpower to get it before. And it makes alot of sense to kill charr instead of letting them kill us. So yeh i agree on that part.

I just hope they make the quest reward arround 300-600 xp a day to keep it fair. As most people DL arround 3-6 charr to their own lvl in a night or so. (iirc)

And i got LdoA myself. There were a couple of reasons for getting it: I liked pre-searing and wanted to have a unique title (annoying/hard one to obtain). So LdoA was the perfect one. It took me a long time to get. Maybe 60 DL sessions(?) = 2 month. But because of breaks etc. it took me a year hihi!

Nonetheless i might actually enjoy the new quests with my other pre-searing toon who is only lvl 14 right now. Who is also a necro and will enjoy the new UI

+ i love how i can add ldoa to hom without leaving pre! nice one